Former President Donald Trump boasted about the size of the MAGA movement during a podcast interview, saying that there were now more than triple the number of members than those who voted for him in 2020.
“We have MAGA—Make America Great Again—you know all about it. Right now, it’s 200 million people, maybe even more, representing a majority of the country,” the Republican presidential nominee told WWE legend Mark “The Undertaker” Calaway Monday on his Six Feet Under show.
Trump said that MAGA—which he called “the greatest movement in the history of any country”—is far larger than his 2020 popular vote of about 74 million, though he offered no evidence to support these numbers. Throughout his campaign, Trump has often inflated figures regarding his political base and rally attendance.
As part of Trump’s strategy to engage male voters through online platforms, the conversation shifted to his interest in professional wrestling—a sport he has long been involved with, having made appearances at WWE events and even participating in the 2007 “Battle of the Billionaires” at WrestleMania 23.
During the podcast, Trump expressed curiosity about the physical demands of wrestling, asking Calaway, “Whether it’s for fun or entertainment, you’re still getting slammed around, right? Does the ring absorb much of the impact?”
Trump, who frequently merges politics with spectacle, likened the professional dynamics of wrestling to politics, saying that much like wrestling, politicians need to work together even if they don’t like each other. “You don’t have to like each other, but you have to be professional enough to work together,” Calaway said, drawing a parallel between the two fields.
The conversation also touched on Trump’s memories of past WrestleManias. He praised Calaway’s in-ring persona, highlighting his iconic entrance and impressive athleticism.
“You were wrestling a good guy that night…He was a good specimen,” Trump said, referring to Dave Bautista, who had faced Calaway in a match and more recently criticized Trump, calling him a “loser.”
Former President Donald Trump (L) sits down for a podcast interview with WWE legend The Undertaker (C). Trump claimed that the MAGA movement is now triple the size of his 2020 popular vote.
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The 2024 election has seen both Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee, embrace non-traditional means of reaching new audiences, with podcasts emerging as one of the top formats.
Professional wrestling legend Hulk Hogan endorsed the former president at the Republican National Convention, and Trump appeared on Logan Paul‘s Impaulsive podcast.
Other professional wrestling icons have spoken out against the former president. WWE Hall of Famer Jesse Ventura almost resigned because Trump was inducted.
The U.S. podcast audience is larger than ever, with around 135 million Americans listening to podcasts at least once a month—15 million of whom were new listeners in the last year alone. The long-form format allows politicians to speak about their platforms without interruption and, critically, helps them connect with audiences that are otherwise disengaged from politics, including young men.
Trump appears to be heavily targeting this demographic, appearing on Lex Fridman’s podcast and participating in a podcast-style interview with Elon Musk on X. He has also appeared on the Shawn Ryan Show, comedian Theo Von’s podcast, and shows by streamers Adin Ross and Logan Paul and conservative podcaster Tim Pool—all of whom have strong followings among young men.
Harris has appeared on the podcasts Call Her Daddy, the most popular podcast on Spotify for women, and All The Smoke in recent weeks.
